I dont think youre ready for that kind of interaction, online, or anywhere else. My point was Why does the ships therapist have a bridge station? Janeway is bridge crew, of course she was coming back! Im glad for you that you didnt find him annoying. Personally I would put Barclay and Trois Mom in that group too, but not sure recurring characters belong with regulars in this race. This is not a good show and not a good Star Trek Show too. This modern trend of celebrating obesity is what is wrong with American society, and is another reason why the rest of the world laughs at America. Mention one thing or person loved by EVERYBODY. The Relaunch Litverse books for DS9 are uneven in my reading experience as compared to the TNG and the Voyager books once Beyer took over. ICYMI: NYCC Season 4 Trailer - TrekMovie.com I personally have battled weight issues all my life since high school and when I am eating healthy and trainng hard, I feel great and can do almost anything (power skating, fast hockey, tons of physical activity) meanwhile the opposite is true when I let myself go (and that does happen). But then again Im not a troll. It inspired her to switch careers. Proceed accordingly. Im proud to see that shes proud of herself. Id add Kirk to that at several times over the years. GD, what shoes is David wearing in those pics? Everyone has their gifts. My personal opinion is, if you see ribs in their low decolletage, they are probably not so healthy. Is Tilly leaving Star Trek: Discovery? Mary Wiseman's fate - HITC In fact most of their fears and phobias were explored in various episodes. Do I want to be Sisko or Picard or Archer then most likely yes. Also the writers, Erika Lipoldt and Bo Yeon Kim. Of all the issues I have with Star Trek Discovery, Mary Wiseman/Tilly is definitely not among them. I think that in a world thats so repressed and violent, violence becomes these peoples only outlet for pleasure and release. That was why she was never in uniform the first few seasons. So smart in the Starfleet tradition. It is one thing to be healthy and quite another to be reed-thin and healthy. You mentioned that the rest of world laughs at America because of obesity. He was non-military, the same height as me, and easily weighed 300#. Its not SMGs fault of course, its just the way she has be written throughout the series. I wonder if there is any news that she might be pregnant. And if people are critical of her because her appearance does not meet their expectations, they dont really have a clue of what Star Trek is all about. Just when it looks like the character has finally grown as a person and doing her own thing, comes right back. Where did all the good writers go?? Mary Wiseman. That finale appearance was basically a cameo. Stupid decision to bring her back. Well second most after Burnam , she was fine in season 1 and 2.past 2 seasons theyve rushed her character developmentsame with michael.the vulcan minded human became human real fast. Yet, she is. The frequency and level of mockery and hate, very often is targeted to the female actors, for them to behave like women, to behave as woman leaders. It always cracks me up when people say that they hate Tilly. Thank you for your counter opinion. I think Saru holds out as being the most consistent, and Tilly is close, but not quite. If there had been a believable logical progression from Cadet Tilly in season 1 to Starfleet Academy instructor in season 4, where they had built up the character to where she shed bits and pieces of the awkwardness as she became more confident in her abilities. the only one worth saving.. quite possibly the most irritating character in Trek history. KevinB: I let go of my preconceptions about what star trek is.. I agree with you on principle as far at this being fine on a fictional Star Trek show. As someone with severe and sometimes crippling anxiety whos managed to have a pretty successful high-pressure career, I question your assertion that she never would have graduated Starfleet., You clearly never served in a military environment. In every real-life Trekkie community Im a part of, as well as most online, shes loved. Sort of the same way Spock stayed first officer in the movies to Kirk although he was a captain for five of those films. should take a pear of pruning shears and cut off that little pecker of yours (its what Killy would do). As a Black girl, I felt I was supposed to look this way. Saru would then recognize the potential in her, give her opportunities to build her self esteem and confidence, and wed get a good arc that doesnt seem forced like it does now. And honestlyKirk wouldnt last a week in a military environment. And CBS posted some images of Emperor Georgious quarters on the ISS Discovery. MS Wiseman owns the sadistic Bitch Capt Killy like she does Tilly. I would imagine those who liked Barclay probably include a large portion of those who like Tilly. I assume my feelings towards them are what Wesley-haters endure. David Ajala: Legit, its still very palpable here. You cant be a Star Trek fan and also be a racist or a body shamer. Somehow these insecure people feel others not like them are a threat to how they see themselves and how the world should, in their opinion, be. Maybe not but what are your thoughts? Its all relative, but I dont see a lot of actors being body-shamed. Good for Mary! Just when it looks like the character has finally grown as a person and doing her own thing, comes right back. All you ever do on this board is show up and attack womxn for being womxn, LBGTQ+ for being LBGTQ+, people of color for being people of color. The Trek Collective has a flowchart for the Litverse which is helpful. It makes sense there would be and that they be a part of the medical team. Internationally, the series is available on Paramount+ in Australia, Latin America and the Nordics, and on Pluto TV in Austria, France, Germany . There is such a difference between having criticisms of the way the characters are written and criticizing the actors performance/craft and their leadership in the company. Some folks here like this nu trek because it lowered standards to make them feel better about themselves. Did Tilly on Discovery gain weight? Ok, SH didnt invent this. Body shaming is wrong and immature. Way too many issues. Shes changed. Its been a continuing book series since 2009 and still going. However, if we got to see Tilly gradually improve herself. The following contains spoilers from Star Trek: Discovery's Season 4 finale. Mary Wiseman is a good actress but even with that, if Star Trek Discovery was shot in 80s or 90s producers would probably force her to go on a diet or even fire her. Disco has a lot of problems storywise But not her looks! Can Picard go round the sun once more and rescue Saru from Discovery? Thats a refreshing thing for Berman Era Star Trek, when characters tend to be more reserved and the dialogue is highly stylized and precise. The very basis of Star Trek is in direct conflict with people like that. Watch as SFX makeup transforms Doug Jones into Saru for Star Trek: Discovery. After all, it DOES seem as though Tilly is gone from the crew for the time being. Mary Wiseman: We dont have that many scenes together but theres a lot of tension between us just as actors and personalities. Is Mary Wiseman Pregnant? Weight Gain And Pregnancy Rumor Of The David, has Michael becoming captain changed Books relationship with her? Im sorry I can sugarcoat it. Yes, The Expanse. I hope were able to explore it because theres potential for great levity, but then also really important conversations to be had because when you care about someone you dont want to see them go through pain, and I can see completely how Tilly will be very protective of Michael Burnham. Not sure what the formal CBS/Paramount process is for publishing that kind of stuff, but the story was so detailed that I genuinely wanted to begin looking into it. And saying they should be sending this message is just another way to try to bully someone into doing what you want, not what that person wants for their self. Now if it turns out, Burnham was being influenced by an alien entity or she has been given insight into the future which made it imperative that she rush Tilly into becoming the Number One, then I can accept it. Troi made explicit the evil intent lies we tell each other and ourselves to gain selfish material and political advantage. Finally, Starfleet isn't a military organisation or an army. Have to disagree. Tillys journey has helped me over the last few years. Most of what she did was convey the amazingly obvious like offering such useful insights such as, Hes concealing something but I dont know what. And her abilities were never fully defined. No probably not. Paradise was most likely referring to the shows production and creative teams. Picard is the third Kurtzman Production. I have this image in my head of the EPs saying to Mack that theyd like species that havent been main characters in other shows and asking him to give a list of options for a big and strong species, a species without a bianary gender etc. I like seeing her in the series and like knowing that girls who are considered chunky by their teen or tween peers will know they can become something special and respectable, even if they dont have the ideal Hollywood body type. lol ;). To be clear, my opinion on a show has no bearing on how it helped you at a terrible time in your life. I know Gene Rodenberry never wanted Starfleet to be portrayed as a military outfit, but this has gone so far in the opposite direction that its being run like a pre-school participation awards ceremony. Thanks for the correction and yes that is correct. Tillys great contribution is that shes NOT that sort of superwoman most people can never be. I never felt that what has come before should define the franchise in the future. She makes it all look so easy. What tradition do you speak of? I have considered it and rejected it. The writers may love the character, but they also appreciate that the actor is a real person who might want variety in their career. It just happened. No it says a lot about the incredibly dangerous message she is sending. Just take a little trip down the hellhole that is a tabloids message boards and youll see the kind of body shaming of male and female actors and celebrities that exists out there. And I felt that was ridiculous. Tillys a fantastic character. But Tilly and the nervous mess Adira has devolved into? Imo, this show tries so overly hard to be socially progressive, its the very thing that makes it a turn-off. We use cookies to ensure that we give you the best experience on our website. Im relieved to say I have no idea how that feels, and its something I cant even stomach thinking about, frankly. And thats a healthy outlook. We have no information that Beyer consults in this show. Regarding fans, tons of them love Tilly. Where is this? I suppose thats why some places are rising and others are very visibly in decline. The fourth episode of the new season of Star Trek: Discovery ("All is Possible") arrived this morning and it has fans buzzing about Lt. Sylvia Tilly. out of shape for the job shes in and the role she wanted to perform. This post (handouts bad habits yada yada yada) is your latest misogny, homophobia and white supremacy , and I am sick and tired of it. His Voyager appearances were also horrid. None of us are and its okay. Its very likely shell be on the Star Fleet Academy show if she continues as a regular/recurring character on a Trek show. Everybody does NOT love Tilly. David Ajala: Yeah. I mean, it was just so fun! Two Kelpians and a Disco Kenny (Zero Kelpians were harmed during this shoot. Not sure what her weight has to do with anything. The problem is, very deep into his 80s, and theres still chatter about him playing the action hero. I hate the body shaming of actresses Theres recently was yet another fanboy arse-hat bloger who on their twitter account made an unkind comment about Mary/Tilly regarding her weight. I think Saru will just be the surrogate first officer again although he is now a captain. Mary Wiseman told Forbes, It was tricky, but it was a really, really fun and satisfying challenge.. It seems like people like her say: this is me. Full Circle is pretty dark in some ways. Just IMHO, because to each his (or her, or their) own! The 60s/70s are gone. Tilly appears twice in the Star Trek: Discovery season 5 trailer. Mary Wiseman is confirmed to return as Sylvia Tilly in Star Trek: Discovery season 5, although whether she rejoins the crew or continues at Starfleet Academy and only interjects occasionally remains unknown. I think the character would have been much better served if Tillys quirks were something that changed as the character grew over the seasons. I think Mary is doing a fantastic job as isSonequa, Their characters are fantastic as are all the others. As an actress and a person I dont mind her at all, shes lovely. 89. Barclay was another unrealistic character that never shouldve made it in to Starfleet. Star Trek Discovery boss explains surprise season 4 exit - Digital Spy Biography Since you said mum Im going to assume youre in the UK, and I can personally confirm that you can get some great help, including face to face therapy, through the NHS, for free. Most actresses on TV, if theyre 58 probably weigh 120# or less. She doesnt inspire confidence. How is she supposed to sound considering nobody knows what people in the 23rd century will talk like? Remember , they had steroids and thyroid problems in the 80's, but the majority of people were off normal weight, which today would be called skinny. It included a lot of the old characters too like Chakotay, BElanna, Tuvok with a lot of new characters. The last novel just came out last year (where does she find the time lol). However, even if the Academy series moves forward, it likely wouldnt go into production in 2022 or even 2023, leaving plenty of time for Tilly to appear in season five of Discovery. Its been sooo inconsistent from day one. She only graduated from SA herself at the end of season 1. Mack is one of the core group of Trek authors going back to shortly before Nemesis. Sorry for the delay in getting back to you. After his first episode or two, I was done with Barclay and was frustrated when he came back, and especially when he showed up on Voyager. Sylvia Tilly | Memory Alpha | Fandom I would just be happy if Rhys got more than three lines an episode lol. Good for her, and I love the character! Book is Han Solo. Shes beyond perfect with her line delivery. We want people to get their facts from reliable health sources, not celebrities, so saying actors should be sending some sort of fitness message is just backwards. I am a therapist in real life, and even *I* think it was crazy that they had a therapist on the bridge. I read somewhere that Gates McFadden and Marina Sirtis had somewhere in their contract a stipulation that they had to fit into their costumes. All Access Star Trek Podcast, Discovery, DS9, Lower Decks, Section 31, Star Trek 4, Star Trek: Picard, Star Trek: Prodigy, Strange New Worlds. However, we do know that David Mack does. At the other end, underweight is also unhealthy and associated with other risks, but gets less negative attention in entertainment. Ill never forget when I, a woman of 160# at 58, healthy, deemed fit by military and bodyfat percentage indexes, approached the Credit Union one day, when the guy at the ATM finished his transaction, turned, saw me, and yelled Hey, fatass!. I wonder what the advertisers behind this site think of posts like this. Learning? I saw someone just last month asking on a Facebook fanpage if Starfleet had some kind of physical fitness standard and if so, shes violating it, ect.the same old idiotic abusive misogyny disguised as genuine concern. There have been moments where they tried to do that, but like everything else on Discovery where self-doubt and emotional scenes of worry in darkly-lit rooms need to be front and center, they always seemed to bring Tilly back to spazzing out because she was nervous about whether she can do it before being put on a mission. You can start with those or the later books in the Time to sequence without significant confusion. So I think Tilly definitely goes to employ those skills. Right? The entire point of Tillys character is that shes a Starfleet officer that doesnt have to be a supermodel like so many Trek characters before: Troi, Seven, TPol, Jadzia perfect golden cut supermodels. I truly do love this show, but Burnham and Tilly are so damn annoying. Like maybe he would be way too codependent or something? This week's episode raised concerns. She brings so much heart to the show. Is Tilly leaving Discovery? - Everycareinternational.com The character. Star Trek: Discovery | Tilly Chooses To Live | Paramount+ I mean, there could have been but it was never seen or talked about. So her appearances ended up not being 100% awful. These are not well-written or well-acted characters, and they weaken the series every time they show up. Up ahead, we explain what happened to Tilly in the recent episode and also discuss actor Mary Wiseman's status on the show. David Ajala: What about Grudge in the mirror universe? But I think one of the things that leaves everyone feeling unmoored in this situation is they dont even know how to use their skills to deal with this because its something theyve never seen before, and they cant predict it, they dont know by which rules its operating, and how to even engage. Having Tilly be one was justdumb. Her character, Sylvia Tilly, has had plenty of opportunities to shine without giving anything away, and Wiseman has risen to the occasion. Mary Wiseman (actress) - Wikipedia Overweight and obesity are a leading health risk identified by the World Health Organization. As you put it: I love how Disco has put the human back into the human experience. And I agree wholeheartedly. This sounds kind of racist. I think the ship can handle a little chonk. You always come up with weird posts VS this one is weirder than usual Im afraid to say. This was her character and then had perhaps one or two incidents where she became a little more focused and then off screen came back a different person. Weight Gain Explained Rumors are going on that Mary Wiseman is pregnant and she has gained weight. By: TrekMovie.com Staff Sylvia Tilly was an ambitious female Human Starfleet officer who lived during the mid- 23rd century. It feels the only reason was to have a non-binary character, which after a few episodes ended up fading into the background with the rest of the furniture anyway. Sincerely, obesity is defined in terms of the proportion of body fat associated higher risk of illness. It would definitely be great if Rhys was promoted to first officer. The ships shrink should not be a Command level position and in fact would make sense to be on the CMOs staff. If that happens, I'm betting she'll be a part of it. And another way to look at it: at least its not another hour of tv taken by a reality show, right? In fact, thats all the Discovery crew is qualified as in the 32nd century. Not everyone is skinny and not everyone likes skinny. As for the debate about sending the message being overweight is good: the heart of the issue is that everybodys body is their own, not health and physical fitness. Star Trek Tilly Weight Gain: Mary Wiseman Weight Gain - Is She Married She is relatable and human and wonderful. . Sisko on the other hand. Finally, actress Rekha Sharma shared this fun behind-the-scenes photo with Doug Jones and David Benjamin Tomlinson, where she lamented Landry being killed off yet again. Yes but Star Trek shouldnt be about lazy writing, poor character development and bad storytelling. Thematic darkness is fine but graphic visuals arent. The Berman era had specific ideas about things like accents and music that kind of locked it into something fairly homogeneous. Maybe sociological issues? Well, its certainly a good thing that Tilly is a fictional character, and neither she nor the woman who plays her (Wiseman) is in todays real-world Navy.. Plenty of curvy ladies are quite healthy and active. Star Trek: Discovery threw a shocker into its latest episode as Lieutenant Sylvia Tilly decided to leave the Discovery crew. I like the way you think! It makes it quite American centric. I want to really like Discovery, I do. Jealous and insecure,they can only feel better by putting others down. So I think we pick up with her after some time has passed since the events of that season, but shes still sort of not really sure what to make of it, and everything that used to be really comfortable isnt sitting as comfortably as it used to if that makes sense. Thanks for the heads up about Beyer and the Voyager books. The only writers they need are people who can polish it up enough so that you cant tell its machine-written. :). It is also available on Netflix in 190 countries around the world. Ive seen fan-fics with better characters than this. Han Van Sciver and Mary Wiseman in At the Wedding (Photo: Marc J. Franklin), Watch Wiseman and cast and crew talk about the season four finale. Just a heads up (even more way off topic), for those who liked SG , IMO the Atlantis book Legacy series was quite good, telling the story of what happened after the finale. Why wouldnt someone want to be more like that? Im sorry youve had to experience that and I strongly urge you to take what comfort you can from whatever source you can, regardless of how other people feel about that source. To even suggest that is stupidity writ large. Mary Wiseman is sending the message that your body is your own, your responsibility, and nobody elses business, not any sort of health and fitness message. From what Ive read, having her on the bridge because of her betazed abilities was what Roddenberry had in mind. It is constantly exposing the never ending struggle of smart and talented woman of color. Having a discussion about healthy weights, healthy eating and physical activity and how thats important is a good Star Trek message. )Granted, I think the special effects, space battles, bizarre technology and explosions are the proverbial tail wagging the dog, but thats always been the case, and is increasingly expected in these post-Star Wars, high tech decades. Gee, so some Trek fans can be @$$holes. In the latest Star Trek: Discovery episode, Sylvia Tilly ( Mary Wiseman) was tasked with . I understand the actress is very well-respected and a nice person, but I couldnt stand the Tilly character myself. Fans need to stop being rude and act like gentlemen for once. In this week's episode of Star Trek: Discovery season four, we saw Tilly leaving her crew and heading to the academy in order to foster young minds. Harry wasnt annoying watching him was just sad :-D. Im glad for you that you didnt find him annoying. Find more stories on theStar Trek Universe. This is rare case were I actually agree with Lorma. The rumors started and spread like wildfire when some fanatics of Star Trek Discovery found out that Mary gained a few pounds between the seasons. I like me. You are always very insightful. I did, though. Something happened to Tilly (Wiseman) and Bryce (Rowe). It doesnt look like unhealthy curvy but just different type of genes. They made an insensitive statement about her body and called her a promoter of an unhealthy lifestyle. It took this for me to finally accept who I am. 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(But then she has always reminded me, her looks and bubbliness, of my cousin who just so happens to be a wonderful teacher. We love that someone who isnt super fit was cast, especially that its a woman. And now, with only three years under her belt in the field, From future Starfleets POV, thats 900 years! Tilly is the most human member of the crew.
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