Lets use the following .300 Winchester Magnum loads to demonstrate. Im getting very good velocity with RL26. So I'm wondering if your guys are getting that number? What is my Rifles [Accurate] Barrel Life Expectancy? The item "Thompson Center Encore SS PH 3007599 6.5 Creedmoor Barrel-NEW" is in sale since Saturday, June 26, 2021. Gun writers simply ran out of stuff to write about..and manufacturers ran out of new and improved items to sell. Part of the beauty of the 22 CM is that it shoots standard .224 caliber bullets that are available almost everywhere for the hand loaders and cost less than larger caliber bullets. Why is this? Looking forward to using it for predators. the SRMP is your baby!! It's an 1:11 finished at 28". I have to say, the best part about shooting the Meredith 22 CM is that its just fun to shoot. BAck in the 70s we used to shoot 85gr Sierra hollow point boat tail bullets in our 6mm Rems. Thorley enjoyed reading your article on Barrel Life. Using gunwerks 6creed brass and fed 210m primers. It may not display this or other websites correctly. I'm rough on my barrels but since I can rechamber myself I don't worry too much. 10 shots averaged 3510 at 45 degrees. Since individual rifles can vary I dont know whether it was wear or not. This is by far my favorite gun to shoot now. Your email address will not be published. Compare it to Factory ammo available to everyone for the last 50-75 years to see if its even worth the bother to wildcat it. Why would I switch. My buddy has one. But that's not the main selling point. Extremely stable and very accurate across a great many firings. Do a 22 BR or 22 BRA. Last season, after my . The advent of the 6mm Creedmoor immediately had folks necking the hornady 6mm down to 22 cal and upon doing so found virtually the perfect case capacity for heavy weight .224 bullets. Gotta love the experts who denounce new cartridges as useless just because they own something similar. These five variables are as follows: Throat erosion is often the main determining factor of a rifle barrels life. 22 Creedmoor Bartlein Barrel Build a 22 Creedmoor Bartlein to fit your needs! as the 88gr eldm so Id assume they would stabilize in a 1-8 twist but I havent tried them or the 95gr. JavaScript is disabled. In order to determine the accurate barrel life of a rifle, we can use a barrel life calculator. Now we have Alpha Munitions producing factory 22 Creedmoor brass, and the stage is set for a complete takeover of the big 22cal scene. Poor cleaning practices can reduce the life of a barrel by damaging rifling. But ballistics seem to show that the old 6mm Rem and .260 Rem more than hold their own against the new Creedmore offerings. Depending on size of the game hunted, but generally you will often hear most industry authorities recommending 6mm, 243 Win, 270 Win for any smaller CXP2 type antelope, and 30-06 Spingfield or larger for CXP3 medium to large game. One of the reasons that the 6.5 Creedmoor has become so popular is exactly because of its light recoil . #3123699 - 01/17/18 12:34 PM Re: 22 Creedmoor [Re: thoms715] CZ527 Die Hard Member III Registered: 12/25/14 Posts . Regardless of the barrel length you . Why was it not compared to any of the mainstream big boomer .22 calibers, e.g. I will try again later using faster burning powders but for now back to the proven. Getting to 22CM from 6CM is a straight forward pass through a FL die. Not so likely. Now we have Alpha Munitions producing factory 22 Creedmoor brass, and the stage is set for a complete takeover of the big 22cal scene. This was a super accurate load but rather slow for this cartridge. They are about 1180 ft-lbs. others are using non magnum but its what I have and im getting single ES with them so im not changing it. The 22-243win and 22-243AI I was shooting have found themselves virtually untouched, while the 22CM has dominated coyotes in a way no other 22cal has before it. Leaning toward the more conservative number of 1300 ft-lbs, the same 22 CM bullets combinations are good out to 300- 400 yards. It sounds to me like your pissing on the .308, something MANY snipers would disagree with as well. There are many factors that determine the number of shots a barrel can take before the lands and rifling become worn to a point where the accuracy suffers. Just letting you know it was first created by Horizon Firearms out of Texas February of 2014. The area of the chamber just forward of the web on the original [] For me, the Varget/69TMK was almost an accident, but its showing good numbers, and superb accuracy. Never Dock after all of this three and a half years of what was basically partying at the governments expense..so I left the Navy. The 22 Creedmoor will come standard with a 1-in-7-inch fast-twist barrel, and combined with the increased volume inside its case, you can push those long pills over at 3,450 feet per second! Comment * document.getElementById("comment").setAttribute( "id", "acb08e427cc3f73ca30b62e0ee31d3f0" );document.getElementById("d5ccf01b57").setAttribute( "id", "comment" ); Save my name, email, and website in this browser for the next time I comment. Very long barrel life; Cons of the 6.5 Creedmoor. Great idea. Rather than gripe, i got out of my tree and left it to the combat hunters. For a varmint cartridge, 95% of your shots will be inside 500 yards, and probably 80% inside 300. Bullets being an entirely application-driven choice makes it difficult to suggest one, but if you're looking for top choices for the 22 Creedmoor they would easily be the heavier of the class such as 75gr hornady, 80gr SMK, or 80gr Berger. Life Extenders Proudly powered by. 6CM starts out at a neck diameter of approximately .271" and a loaded 22 creedmoor with hornady brass will end up at about .254-.255". For this project, my sacrifice was in the barrel. At 4400, it was toast. This is my favorite rifle, too. So what is accurate barrel life, and how do we determine a barrels life expectancy? The 22 Creedmoor ballistics, beating out those of the .22-250 and many other fast .224 caliber cartridges, are what is drawing more people towards this cartridge lately. Satterlee Scott. Within the shooting industry, there are all kinds of niche markets today. With the exponential advancement in technology and growth of information it is only natural the shooting industry is using this information and technology to unlock more cartridge and bullet performance. Want to become an expert on reloading, or just gain the knowledge needed to get started, here is a list of the best reloading books available. It may not display this or other websites correctly. That means the lands on my 6mm Creedmoor eroded 0.077" over 1300 rounds, which is an average of 0.0059" every 100 rounds (i.e. Not a trace of it. That just isn't a thing in Creedmoor land. Leaning toward the more conservative number of 1300 ft-lbs, the same 22 CM bullets combinations are good out to 300- 400 yards. The energy of the 250 grain 45 caliber bullet at that distance was only 630 ft-lbs. The 22 CM drops below that 800 ft-lb threshold at between 600 to 775 yards depending on the bullet and velocity of Copper Creeks different offerings. (Even if they are NOT improvements worth mentioning!) The primary culprit in a centerfire rifle that affects accuracy is an eroded throat, however the rest of the bore and/or rifling can wear too. That experiment reinforced my belief that 3500 is a good number for replacement. Now fire forming 22-250 Lapua into 22 crdm is a different story, that is some great brass. Out of stock. I can not speak to the virtures of Alpha brass, but I haven't heard any complaints about their other offerings. We have found some 22 Creedmoor shooters pucking the bullet speeds in excess of 3400 fps to get around 1200 to 1400 shots out of their barrels, and some have been able to extend that with proper barrel care life letting the barrel cool between firing strings, and hBN coating their bullets. Many who knew of my easy duty wondered how I did it. The Hornady 250 grn FTX worked well on a large Black Wildebeest at 296 yards, the first shot took it down, the second ensured it never got back to its feet. If you want just 1 rifle the 243 has the ability to be a MPBR/old school varmiter right slong with the 22/250, but a much better Deer?antelope rifle. They could be into competition shooting and need a cartridge that will give them a competitive advantage. This erosion is accelerated when cartridges are loaded hot (adding additional propellant) with the aim of increasing the bullets velocity. Getting to 22CM from 6CM is a straight forward pass through a FL die. The old deer hunting go-to 30-30 caliber 150 grn bullet drops below the 800 ft-lb mark at about 225 yards. This rifle is an absolute nightmare on Coyotes, Feral Hogs, Prairie Dogs, and Whitetail Deer. I mailed out my barreled action to long rifles inc to be converted. I totally agree! Farthest was about 140yds, bullet still passed completely through, exiting through the far shoulder on a quartering away shot. You are quite wrong about using 22s for medium sized game. Almost all fell in their tracks. I tried 50gr vmaxs out of a 1-7 twist barrel and not one bullet ever made it to the 100yd target, one of them poofed just past the barrel, definitely take your can off when testing with these hot rods and light pills. Here is a brief summary of the cartridge. I tried to find an email for Mr. Cramblit with no luck. Putting an additional 14 grains of powder behind the same bullet and bumping pressure up another 2,000 psi cuts barrel life in half. Watch below as the kill is only thanks to the speed of the 22 Creedmoor, and another split second of air time would have been too long. Casing Type:.22 Creedmoor LRP (Large Rifle Primer) Casing Trim Length: 1.910" Primer: Federal Large Rifle Magnum Match (GM215M) Rifle Firearm Used: Horizon Firearms .22 Creedmoor Barrel Length: 24" Rate-of-Twist: 1 in 8" Casing Manufacturer: Peterson Cartridge Co. Casing Type:.22 Creedmoor LRP (Large Rifle Primer) Casing Trim Length: 1.910" I got an update from Bob at Alpha Munitions (alphamunitions.com). Ive done a few and personally shoot mine with the following please be advised this is my load and my rifle safe max.. start lower and work up please. There has even been confirmed coyote kills out to over 1000 yards with with the 75gr ELD-Match bullet. Yet the 22-243 had obstacles of its own, with it often having somewhat narrow and finicky accuracy nodes. The last deer I shot I tucked right inside the shoulder blade as he was quartering towards me and it completely destroyed the opposite lung. Back in the day, my first ever rifle was a Remington 700 in 6mm. Make no mistake, as precision rifles are becoming so common that shooters and custom rifle builders have had to turn to customizing calibers and cartridges for more performance, so too has the consumer marketing side of ammunition manufacturers also started creating more calibers and cartridges to further fuel the yearly upgrade and new purchase trend of rifles similar to other tech and cellphone industries. Varget, H4350, and H1000 are the most common powders used with the 22 Creedmoor. Craddock Precision I truly dont believe a senseable person would use ANY .22 caliber rifle for deer hunting. So, was a 22 CM worth spending the time and money to build? You can also neck 6mm Creedmoor down to 22cal easy enough. The original 6XC chambering was designed based off the usage of 22-250 brass which typically has a web diameter in the range of .461-.463. The .22-243AI, middlestead, and 22-6 were speed demons to be sure, but there were always crippled due to mag length restrictions or fire forming considerations. You may wish to shoot moly-coated bullets to extend barrel life. I did group it against one with far less rounds and it did not group as well. This is something that plagued me with the traditional 22-250 and caried over into the 22-243win I ran prior to switching to the 22 Creedmoor. These general guidelines apply more to the older traditional calibers when speeds were much lower, and with modern cartridge advances, the velocities achieved by modern smaller calibers make up for the energy lost in mass of the bullet, and the modern twist rates allows low drag bullets to carry those velocities and energy further down range. You guys all using 6 Creedmoor dies with different bushings? When did the 30-30 change from a brush gun to a 200 plus yard tack driver?? Out of stock. So how much bullet energy is needed for medium sized game? Mason? The long slender bullets have good sectional density, so they will easily get the penetration needed to reach the vitals of thin-skinned medium game. It's a precision rifle caliber and whether it's hunting ammo, target ammo, or long range ammo, it's all match grade kind of stuff. Who do you know who has enough guns? Shooting heavier bullets at more reasonable velocities also calms some barrel-burning qualms. All load data for reference only. A barrels life expectancy is caliber dependant, and may range anywhere from 1000 rounds to 6000 rounds or more. All Local Sales are FREE! Please double check the 500 yd energy of the 308 168 SMK. Anyone have load data for 22 creedmoor 50 gr. H4350 is kind of a "go-to" powder for the Creed case but I have had really good performance and barrel life out of H4831, H1000 and RE23. The 22 Creedmoor can comfortably take down most CXP3 size animals with well placed shots in the head or heart, if the bullets are expanding type bullets in 75 grain or larger size, however, for general recommendations, we would keep to CXP2 animals up to the 300 pound class, and you will be withing safe limits. Name Phone Number Email Message Savage pre fits come in 2 shank sizes; Standard (small) Shank / 1.058"-20, Large / 1.120"-20. Easily adapted components, brass, and dies. I had a rifle built by Meredith Rifles, using a Defiance action, Bartlein barrel, Manners stock andNightforcescope. In front of me was a dry wash I could see deer enter it on one end and pop out about 100 yards in front of me. He concluded it worked best as a varminter, but could also do PRS duty, provided it is loaded under the 3200 fps velocity limit common in PRS matches. The typical American had just a few all-purpose guns a few decades ago. Gun Cases . The Creedmoor in 22 Creedmoor denotes the fact that it comes from a 6.5mm Creedmoor which has been necked down to accept a .224 bullet, the Creedmoor in 6.5mm Creedmoor in turn comes from Creedmoor Sports, for whom the 6.5mm Creedmoor cartridge was developed by Hornady and Creedmoor Sports jointly. I know that huge advances in rifles has taken place since the 1970s. I know guys that run anything from 22-26" barrels, 1-6.5 to 1-7 is what you'll need for the heaviest bullets. Survival Gear . A .250 diameter neck will typically provide desirable results for both as long as you are running an expander ball of the appropriate diameter in your die. The 90gr smk has almost the same B.C. It's a cool cartridge for sure. Some specifically concentrate on varmint hunting, or coyote hunting, while others concentrate on high volume deer hunting or major game like elk and moose. To put it into context, a credit card is around 0.032" thick, so the amount of erosion we're talking about over the life of a barrel is barely more . The one company is doing a buy one, get 50% off that barrel for the next barrel, so I figured I would build the first one expensive. The need to find a cartridge that performs better under that very particular scenario comes with this niche emphasis. Want One? It's definitely a fun little barrel burner, but I think the brass is the biggest downfall for me. Not trying to start a war on the very interesting .22 thread. document.getElementById( "ak_js_1" ).setAttribute( "value", ( new Date() ).getTime() ); Well, contrary to some of the chat here, when I read a review like this, even though comparing various cartridges is common, I think of the new stuff as in addition to my current collection versus instead of. Kinda like my wife does with shoes. We used a Tikka T3 Stainless Action from a rifle originally chambered in 308 Win, fitted a .224 Krieger barrel on it with the chamber cut for a 22 Creedmoor, and now we have a superb Tikka 22 Creedmoor. I think the barrel will give me a good barrel life based on round count but not based on time because I really enjoy shooting it and letting others try it. Even when using the venerable mainstay 52gr SMK at 4100fps from the 22-243, it was not uncommon to have squarely hit coyotes get knocked down and then run off to die 150yds later. The store will not work correctly in the case when cookies are disabled. With a 22 BRA (22 BR with 40deg shoulder) youll have plenty of velocity. How to Estimate Range with the Mil-Dot Reticle. The bullet diameter is .224, the same as any other .22 centerfire cartridge like the 223 Rem., 22-250 Rem., 224 Weatherby Magnum, 223 WSSM and 220 Swift. This will assist in understanding why groupings may eventually open up, while also allowing for timeous submission of new license applications in certain countries around the world; take South Africa for example, where a barrel may take up to 1-year to license. This is starting to become my go to gun for general purpose hunting and gong competitions. And barrels cost less than new truck tires! PRS, One concern that might need to be considered with a cartridge such as the .22 Creedmoor is that barrel life probably won't be all that great. Ethical hunters dont do that because we all know that the opportunity for perfect shot placement is the exception not the rule; particularly in brushy cover. Most shooters first roll their eyes when hearing you say you have a 22 Creedmoor, just hearing the word Creedmoor, but they often do a double take a second or two later and ask, 22?. Is Cheap Thermal Worth It? We are a participant in the Amazon Services LLC Associates Program, an affiliate advertising program designed to provide a means for us to earn fees by linking to amazon.com and affiliated sites. I built one after reading this and other articles. Went with the Nosler's because of availability and price. Please keep this thread to actual reloading information, and if you can please post some round count, barrel life numbers are all over the place. With good bullets, medium sized game can be taken quite easily with some 22 calibers. 6.5 Creedmoor barrels are made by the dwarven brothers Sindri and Brokkr. Choices are great, Lapua brass with large primers is what made me choose a 22-250 instead of a 22 Creedmoor. These cartridges include (from left) the .22-250 Remington, .22 Creedmoor and .22-250 Ackley Improved. At 7000 grains per pound and my "normal load" being 42.2 grains. Filed Under: Guides Tagged With: caliber, cartridges, what load data for the 75 eld bullet powder brand a nd charge. Our Small Frame .22 Creedmoor is a bit lighter than our F4-15 EBR chambered in .224 Valkyrie. The 22 Creedmoor finds itself in the perfect configuration for functionality with heavy bullets within short action magazine system limitations. But I digress. A 22 Creedmoor for deer will work as well as any 6mm or 6.5mm caliber, and sometimes even beter out at longer distances. I must say I was impressed that it was still sufficiently accurate for its purpose. SMFH. We suggest the 75gr Hornady ELD-M as the ideal projectile for this caliber, If you choose to run the 88gr Hornady, 90gr Hornady, Sierra or Berger, or the 95gr Sierra PLEASE note your rifle should have a freebore of .120 or more. Reduced recoil compared to 6.5 Creedmoor. I thought my barrel was toast with around 900 rounds but I shot this yesterday at 100. The area of the chamber just forward of the web on the original [], The 6mm BRX vs 6mm BR The 6mm BRX uses 6mm BR brass as the base brass. Your email address will not be published. 1.150, 980, 875 GB, 850. APR Maverick 22 Creedmoor - Alamo Precision Rifles APR Maverick 22 Creedmoor Sold! Increased barrel life compared to 6mm Creedmoor. Copper creek will have it along with loaded ammo using the 75gn Hornady eldm. Fun while it lasted. 22 Creedmoor. Happy hunting. The action is a standard Savage 12FV in 6.5 Creedmoor purchased at Cabela's during their sale. The fact that gun owners are becoming more advanced than before is another reason we may be seeing so many new cartridges. Accurate barrel life can defined as the point where precision will start to decline. Load development was stupid simple, thanks to an excellent smith in Shaen (shooter71) and a rock creek blank. Ive heard of guys blowing up 90 and 95 smks with 6.5 twist barrels. There are a number of things that a shooter can do to reduce barrel wear. But the popularity of this round, although not gaining momentum as fast as the 6.5mm Creedmoor, or the new 224 Valkyrie has (admittedly because it is not marketed as much by manufacturers because it means normal current Creedmoor rifles can easily be converted to 22 Creedmoor), is starting to gather speed. Coated bullet benefits are hotly debated, so research this one thoroughly and proceed with caution if you decide to do so. At this point we can say that it has reached the end of its barrel life, and seek a replacement. Jeffs current endeavors cover a broad spectrum and he can be found anywhere from local matches helping and encouraging new shooters as they develop their own love of the sport, to the dove field with his friends, a charity sporting clays shoot, backpack hunting public land in Montana, or the winners podium of a major championship. The TSXs in my experience have been overperformers, big time. In fact, I compared wound tracks in ballistics gel and it was virtually indistinguishable from a 168 gr ballistic tip from a 30-06. 6.5 Creedmoor Barrel XL Rifle Gas w/GB & Tube Fits AR-10 Silver and other name brand Firearm Components Sports & Outdoors at The Exchange. I moved a couple of years ago..I sorted through hundreds of gun magazines, its all the same. Your favorite large rifle or small rifle magnum primer. 6548306D-74FF-424F-A172-75F117B1FDBE.jpeg. This went on off and on.for three yearswe were the Naval Aviation version of M.A.S.H. bullets and fast twist rifling, usually 1:8 or even 1:7.5. Proof was posted where McWorther custom rifles having already built and chambered on in 2012, so your reamer records were checked incorrectly. Snipers Hide is a community of Snipers of all kinds, focusing on long range shooting, accuracy, and ballistics. I went through Scout Sniper School at Camp Pendleton in1969 and my rifle had over 10000 rounds through it according to my log book. Interest is then sparked. Cooper Creek, Gunwerks, and Spark Munitions have a variety of offerings depending on what purpose you have for the gun. The 22-250 AI would make more sense to me. And finally, as demonstrated by the example above, shoot less-powerful cartridges. Barrel Length: 22" Overall Length: 42.75" Rate of Twist: 1:8" Length of Pull: 13.75" Drilled & Tapped: Yes Magazine Style: Hinged Floor Plate Magazine Capacity: 5 Barrel Material: Polished Blued Steel Checkering: 20 LPI Wood Type: Maple Walnut Most shooters first roll their eyes when hearing you say you have a 22 Creedmoor, just hearing the word Creedmoor, but they often do a double take a second or two later and ask, 22?.
Best Time To Visit Chaco Canyon,
Curtis Dustin Williams Autopsy,
Keith Sweat House,
River Highlands Homeowners Association,
Articles OTHER